D. P. Lyle, MD is the Macavity Award winning and Edgar Award nominated author of the nonfiction books
, Murder and Mayhem, Forensics for Dummies, Forensics and Fiction, and Howdunnit: Forensics: A Guide for Writers, as well as thrillers, Devil's Playground, and Double Blind.
His next medical thriller, Stress Fracture, will be released in early 2010.
He has worked with many novelists and with the writers of popular TV shows such as Law & Order, CSI: Miami, Diagnosis Murder, Monk, Judging Amy, Peacemakers, Cold Case, House, Medium, Women's Murder Club, and 1-800-Missing.
He is a practic
ing Cardiologist in Orange County, California.
Through his website, The Writers' Medical and Forensics Lab (www.dplylemd.com) he works with writers and readers to enrich their understanding of complex medical and forensic issues in the stories they write and read.
A Big Welcome to D.P. Lyle!
Doug Lyle impressed me at Thrillerfest two years ago. I was new to ITW, and Doug took time to sit and chat with me and answer my questions. A charter member of International Thriller Writers, Doug is active in ITW and is their CraftFest Chair.
I appreciate Doug Lyle for being our featured guest today. He will respond to comments and questions today after 3:00PM Mountain Time - until 8:00PM Mountain Time.
Anyone who posts a comment or question today (August 26th) may win FORENSICS: A Guide For Writers, or a Lecture Packet from me. I'll draw the two winning names at 8:30PM Mountain Time.
Here's what experts have to say about Doug Lyle's how-to books:
"A terrific resource for crime writers and anyone interested in forensics . . . will jump-start your imagination about all kinds of ingenious crimes, crime-solving techniques, and plot twists." Matt Witten, supervising producer of the Fox TV show, House.
"Every crime-fiction author's best friend . . . as essential to my library as my Strunk and White." -- Hallie Ephron, author of Writing and Selling Your Mystery Novel.
"There's damn good reason why Dr. Doug Lyle's e-mail is in every crime writer's address book and why his reference books belong on every aspiring writer's book shelf: His advice comes from the head of a medical expert but also from the heart and imagination of a writer. Whenever I paint myself into a forensic corner, Dr. Doug is always there to rescue me." -- P. J. Parrish, author of An Unquiet Grave
THE INTERVIEW:
ML: Your forensics books for writers are full of CSI-type information, only your info is correct. :-) Please tell our blog guests about some of the topics you cover in Howdunnit: Forensics: A Guide for Writers.
DL: My plan all along was to write the definitive book on forensics for writers. I wanted to cover each and every subject. When I did Forensics for Dummies I was able to cover many of the subjects, just not in the detail I wanted. And they did not want any historical information but rather only current information on forensics. This book has a great deal of historical information about things such as how forensic toxicology or fire arms examination or fingerprinting came to be. I find this material fascinating and I know that many writers tell stories that are not set in the present day and indeed can be back to prehistoric times or even just fifty years ago. They need to know what the state of the art was at that time in order to make their stories real and believable and I believe that this book gives them much of the information they will need.
Things covered in this book are DNA, blood analysis including blood spatter, fingerprint and shoe print patterns toxicology, psychiatry, document examination, forensic chemistry and biology, and a host of other topics.
ML: Do you know of instances where the killer deliberately attempted to disguise the actual time of death? What was the outcome?
DL: Actually, there have been many cases where this has occured. One of the most clever involved freezing the body and then dumping it months later. Freezing would slow the decay process making it very difficult for the medical examiner to determine the time of death. He can tell by looking at the tissues under the microscope that they have been frozen suddenly because the ice crystals that form within the cells at the time of the freezing fractures the cells and this is visible. But if the body is frozen for a few months and then is dumped in a rural area and then not found until severely decayed then this microscopic evidence may not be present, it can be very difficult for the medical examiner to determine that the body has been frozen. After the first 48 hours then things such as temperature, lividity pattern, and rigor mortis are of no use. Here the medical examiner relies on insect activity and degree of decay to give him the best guess as to the approximate time of death. Freezing the body for a time alters this time line and makes it very difficult.
ML: Could you describe a situation where forensic evidence (such as decay cycle of sperm) proved an alleged rape victim was lying.
DL: That's a difficult one because the term rape is not in the medical vocabulary. The medical examiner will not use that term in his evaluation or in his autopsy report. He can only say that penetration occurred and that semen was found and that therefore sexual intercourse took place. Whether this was consensual or not is determined by a judge and jury.
There was an extremely interesting case involving semen analysis a couple of years ago. A man was convicted of rape on DNA evidence from semen collected from the victim. He denied that he did it but the DNA evidence sealed the deal for him. Then another young lady came forward saying that she had been raped. When the DNA analysis was done, it matched the DNA of the previous victim and matched the DNA of the incarcerated felon.
How could this be?
He argued that someone else had the same DNA as him and that it must be the case since he was incarcerated at the time of the second rape.
It turns out that the second victim was not raped. She was a friend of a friend of the felon. He had smuggled his own semen out of prison through his friend. To accomplish this, he deposited his semen in one of those tear-open ketchup packs. The alleged victim then used this to stage her own rape. I get the feeling this guy could have been quite successful had he chosen another path because he is defnitely quite clever.
ML: Is there political pressure placed on forensic investigatiors to push investigations in one direction or another? Could you describe some examples?
I'm sure this happens all the time and with lab results making the recent news (thereby swaying cases) there's probably a great deal of this that goes on behind the scenes. This is one of the current pushes in the forensic world to standardize the tests and to clean up the credentials of those who perform them. Since forensic sciences is such a new field, it is going through its growing pains right now and it has not all been hammered out yet. Add to this the fact that according to the Daubert Decision, which allows the trier of fact -- the judge -- to decide what evidence enters his courtroom, you can see how the stage is set for all types of shenanigans. What this rule allows is for the judge, and the judge alone, to decide whether a scientific test is credible and if it is allowable in the courtroom. It is interesting that the judge is one of the least qualified people to make this decision, but the judge has the absolute power in this regard. If the judge wants to admit the testimony of a crackpot they can. If they want to block the testimony of a well respected scientist, they can do that too.
The crime lab is typically in constant communication with the investigating officers and the district attorney. This is simply because much of the testing will help guide their investigation and it saves a lot of time and energy and money. So far so good. But a smart and aggressive investigator or district attorney can pressure the lab to say things that may not be entirely true. They can color their report slightly to help them obtain a search warrant or to lead them toward one suspect versus another. We would like to think this does not happen very often and indeed it probably doesn't. But the potential for abuse of the system was there.
ML: In recent years we've seen increasing use of DNA evidence to solve crimes. How do you feel future DNA technology can expand the science of solving crimes?
One area is that DNA is being found in smaller and smaller samples. Right now a single cell is all that is necessary to produce usable DNA and therefore a match. This means that large samples are not necessary and a felon can leave behind his DNA without realizing it. Not just blood and semen, but on the lip of a cup or a postage stamp, and more recently even on a fingerprint. When you think about it, fingerprints are basically skin oils and cells that are deposited by touch, the cells within the print contain DNA and this can be used to create a profile.
A more problematic development is the recent research that came from Israel where scientists were able to manufacture someone's genetic profile in the lab. They actually incorporated this into various body fluids after removing all the DNA from that fluid. If you remove the donor's DNA and add artificially produced DNA then you have basically altered the sample to the point that he would give the wrong answer. They actually gave samples to various labs and had them test for DNA and none of them realized what had been done. Now this is not the kind of thing that your average criminal can do at his kitchen table or in his garage. But the potential for making fake DNA and leaving the wrong person's DNA at the scene is real. Where this will lead, I have no idea. But it is very troubling.
ML: You also published another handy reference for suspense writers, Forensics and Fiction: Clever, Ingenious, and Downright Odd Questions from Crime Writers. Love the title, love the book!
You share everything from what is included in an autopsy report and why -- to whacky and whackier questions posed by writers. Here's a sample:
---Can botox be used as a weapon for murder?
---Could a recent blood transfusion confuse DNA analysis?
---Can an injection of potassium kill a hospitalized patient quickly?
---How long can a balloon with heroin remain intact within a 'mule's' stomach?
Please share one of your favorite questions and answers from Forensics and Fiction.
DL: When talking about my question-and-answer books, I always point out that I'm not responsible for the questions, only the answers. The questions are amazing and truly point out how the creative mind works. I am always fascinated by how people create their stories and the questions I get asked for a peek into that world.
The questions you listed above are examples of that. Other questions in the book deal with how crucifixion causes death, do zombies leave behind forensic evidence, does a corpse decay on Mars, would Abraham Lincoln have survived with modern medical care, was DNA available in the early 1990's, can mercury be found in a murder victim's hair a year after death, and many others. The answers are asphyxia and shock, zombies have fingerprints and blood and hair and fibers, Mars is too cold for decay to occur, Honest Abe would have easily survived today (so would Princess Diana had she been in the U.S.), DNA fingerprinting was discovered in 1984 and first entered the courtroom in the U.S. in 1987, and mercury can be found in hair even hundreds of years later.
ML: The last section in Forensics and Fiction is named: Odds and Ends--Mostly Odds. Want to treat our blog guests to something odd?
DL: One of my favorite questions was included in the same section of my first question-and-answer book, Murder and Mayhem. In this scenario a teenage girl lived next door to another couple. The female neighbor was having an affair with the teen's father and she wanted to do something to get even. The questioner asked if there was something she could do to the woman's diaphragm that would cause her some discomfort or concern. Being a Southerner, there was only one answer -- Tabasco. Think about it.
ML: Congratulations on Stress Fracture, to be released in April, 2010. I want to know more. What's the scoop on your upcoming thriller?

DL: This book is the first in a new series starring Dub Walker, an evidence and criminal behavior expert. He has written many books on these subjects, lectures on them frequently, and consults on unusual cases. In Stress Fracture, he is asked to help track down an over-the-top brutal killer who seems to have no real motive and no filter as far as victim selection. He does not follow any of the usualy behavior patterns and from a forensic psychiatric point of view, seems to be both organized and disorganized, careful and impulsive, at the same time.
The second book in the series, Hot Lights, Cold Steel, deals with robotic surgery and some nefarious characters. It is completed and sold and is undergoing the editorial processes right now.
The third in the series, Run to Ground, is under way and I'm nearing completion of the first draft. it deals with a couple who change their identity and drop off the radar completely. Suspected of murder, Dub must find a way to track them down and then prove their guilt or innocence.
ML: Please fill us in about The Writers Medical and Forensics Lab. I bet they'll want to check it out.
DL: My website began as a place where writers could come to get medical and forensic information and ask questions about their works in progress. It has not changed since its inception. I still have articles on there including things like the perfect murder, the untraceable poison, how the medical examiner determines the time of death, and a historical forensic timeline. There is also a link so that writers can send me questions about their stories.
I have now added a blog which I call The Writers Forensics Blog where I talk about current cases and news stories and attempt to explain the medical and forensic issues behind them. There is a link to my blog on my website and I hope some of your readers will visit.
BLOG GUESTS -- Now it's your turn to say "Hi!" -- or ask your ask-the-expert questions.

Comments
I found this article fascinating because we had a real forensics man speak at a recent RWA meeting. He had a power point presentation of an actual crime committed in Smith County Texas. He said shows like CSI are making smarter criminals in some instances. That was mentioned above with the freezing of the body. I will have to locate a copy of Doug's book to have for research. Thanks for the interview and great information.
Here's my question for Doug. Is there a database that M.Es use that can be accessed by law enforcement when searching for serial killers? I mean, how do they play connect the dots when a killer has traveled and killed in multiple areas? How would an M.E., or whoever. decide to enter a particular death in the database.
Thanks, I'll check out the blog. I'm just past the middle of my first suspense with a serial killer.
And I'm definitely buying your book when it comes out!
Thanks so much!
Thanks fo the fascinating interview.
My WIP is historical. Does your book include any information about arsenic?
I have a WIP where there is a fire in an industrial building. A body is discovered there the next morning. I'm assuming there would automatically be an autopsy, and also would there be anything about the appearance of the body that could tell the police and fire marshal that the victim had been dead before the fire even started, or would they have to wait for the results to know that? (There are no obvious bullet holes or anything like that).
Thank you!
Diana
We writers are always thankful when experts share details and stories from their profession which makes our stories more authentic and rich; so thank you for sharing. I'm looking forward to finding your books and adding them to my library. Any book Margie recommends is a keeper.
Here's my question: Do fatal gun shots go to autopsy if there is question of suicide? For example, a gun shot to the abdominal area while cleaning a gun. Or do they already know the cause of death and have no need to autopsy? I wonder if on shows like NCIS if they autopsy more than in real life because it makes good television.
Jamie S Hill
www.jamieshill.com
I have a question about asthma. In my book, a woman returns home to find her finance lying on their bedroom floor barely breathing and turning purple. She tries CPR but it doesn't work.
My initial thought was that he had a severe asthma attack, but my critique partner (who has pretty bad asthma) said his attack wouldn't come on that suddenly, that he'd have time to get to the emergency room.
I've since changed his cause of death to anaphylactic shock, but I still wish it were asthma because it would be a weirder death - he's a runner who competes in marathons.
What do you think? Could it have been asthma or should I leave it as an allergy?
Thanks!
Tami
My question is about head injuries. My character has fallen and hit his head. I know bleeding in the brain can cause death several hours after a head injury. How long could my character still seem reasonably well and would he realize something was seriously wrong?
Thanks!
Margie! Love the new blog!
Diana
I have your book and I LOVE it. I highly recommend it to everyone I come across. It's so comprehensive and accessible. So glad I picked up a copy.
I'm looking forward to trying your foray into fiction. And thanks for doing the interview for my fans this month. My local chapter is going to have you come speak. They were thrilled with the recommendation (I told them how interesting you are--I heard you speak in SF).
Thanks for all you do!
Brenda Novak
THE PERFECT LIAR, On Sale NOW!
www.brendanovak.com
Fascinating stuff!
In my current WIP, one of the characters is stabbed 3 times on 3 separate occasions. The last time will kill him. Where can he be stabbed in the upper torso twice and be considered serious where he'll need time to heal but not prove fatal.
Thanks a bunch!
Kit Donner
www.kitdonner.com
Thanks for sharing! And, thanks to Margie for bringing you to my computer!
Cheers,
Sounds like an excellent resource for writers of mysteries, suspense, and thrillers.
JoAnn
-----and now even more thrilled that she is connecting me to new resources such as yourself! I too have seen some of the CSI cases that you mention and those were the episodes I really got hooked into!
Wowee, just imagine how us writers can do with those little details. Thank you thank you Margie for bringing us this gem today!
I'm curious, since forensics is relatively new, are standards set on how much effort is allotted to various cases? I'd hope one would spend more resources on a murder case than a burglary, but after the Daubert Decision who knows. Thank you.
Dear Doug and Margie,
Thanks so much, that was a fascinating blog and I'm going to check out your books Doug.
Joann
Thank you so much. That was a very interesting blog.
I have to check out all your books, Dough.
Joann
-- Marcia James
I want to ask, do you think such open knowledge of forensics and police procedures is/has led to smarter criminals trying to use the science against the police or manipulate it to get away with it?
If a judge can rule out evidence in a case, then could a judge rule out DNA evidence maybe based on a deal with a high-profile defendant?
It seems like dismissing scientific evidence would give the judge a bad reputation, but I guess it could be warranted in the future, especially if DNA is replicated and placed at a scene. Scary!
I do not have your Forensics Guide for Writers book, but have it on my wish list after eyeing it many a time in the store. I can see why you have one for writers because of the 'odd' questions we ask. My DH claims to be very afraid!!
Doug, you have a wealth of information on your site. I was really interested in the blog post you had recently on forensic graphology, which led me, in turn, to your guest's site, who also has an informative site. It has been a very good learning day! :ooo:
Congrats on your upcoming release. I see I shall have to add Stress Factor to my future wish list; even your fiction books sound like an education in themselves on forensics!
Thanks, Margie, for introducing Doug.
Julie
thanks for this great Q&A.
It seems my TBR stack will soon grow.
Doug, working with TV writers have they ever blatantly ignored what you suggest and gone off some crazy way? I've seen some pretty stange stuff presented on TV.
Rita
Connie
Thanks for the interview. I love reading quirky, crimey things that get the creative synapses firing!
Doug, I have two of your books, Murder and Mayhem and Forensics for Dummies. I must be the latter because there are literally dozens of colorful sticky notes tabbing like a rainbow out of the Dummies book! Thanks for all of your expertise, from the basic to the bizarre.
Here is my question: How quickly could a big-city (Washington D.C.) M.E.'s office produce a rushed toxicology report?
Mar-G, great interview and blog post. Keep 'em coming!
Tra-C
Tracy
Thanks for the info
Thanks so much for sharing and I'll be sure to check out your blog.
And thanks to Margie for inviting you to blog here.
Given the new wave of DNA testing in genealogy how reliable are the results? In your opinion can these records take the place of source documents in connecting modern day man to ancient civilizations?
WOW! You all have been having forensics fun while I was at work today. Wish I could have been here.
KUDOS to Doug for sharing his expertise, his time, and his wit. Loved all the questions and cool answers.
I believe Doug will drop by the blog again this evening. Thanks Doug!
I'm heading to Jeanne Stein's booksigning now -- and will not be able to post the winners until 9:30PM Mountain Time.
Thanks to everyone for dropping by and posting. See you on-line!
All smiles..................Margie
What an incredible resource.
If a writers' group was fortunate enough to be able to visit a crime lab, say a state crime lab, for their research, what topics and questions would you suggest they be sure to ask?
Thank you!
This interview provides great information.
Thanks so much!
Autumn Jordon
THANK YOU for answering questions and enlightening us regarding the fascinating world of forensics. Your how-to books are as informative and insightful as they are entertaining.
I look forward to reading the first thriller in your new series, STRESS FRACTURE, in April, 2010.
See you at ThrillerFest!
All smiles................Margie
THE TWO WINNERS:
1. BARRY won Forensics: A Guide for Writers
2. MARCIA JAMES won a Lecture Packet from Margie Lawson
CONGRATULATIONS BARRY and MARCIA!
Barry and Marcia -- Please contact me at margie@margiela wson.com to coordinate getting your prizes to you.
THANK YOU to everyone who posted on the blog -- as well as those who dropped by. Thanks for being here!
Best..................Margie
Wednesday, September 30th
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All smiles..................Margie
Julie
Thanks!
-- Marcia James