Margie's How-to Author Series Features:
Randy Ingermanson!
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Randy Ingermanson!
-- Co-author of WRITING FICTION FOR DUMMIES
-- Award-winning novelist
-- The Snowflake Guy
-- Popular Writing Instructor
-- Active ACFW enthusiast
-- Guru who publishes the Advanced Fiction Writine E-zine with 18,000+ subscribers
Website: www.AdvancedFictionWriting.com/blog
THE INTERVIEW:
1. ML: In the writing world you are known as an award-winning novelist, a writing instructor, the Snowflake Guy, and the super brain behind the Advanced Fiction Writing E-zine. The E-zine that deserves a listing in the Guinness Book of World Records for the writing e-aine with the most subscribers. A whopping 18,000+ subscribers. That's 18,000+ happy subscribers.
Now you get to glue another feather to your writing cap, author of a How-to book for writers. Congratulations on WRITING FICTION FOR DUMMIES, to be released November 16th!
My interview questions speak to some of the topics you cover in WRITING FICTION FOR DUMMIES. Let's start with building characters. What tips do you share in WFFD for creating three-dimensional characters?
RI: Characters always do something for a reason. Writers usually call that reason the "motivation." I like to break that out into three main parts, and let me go backward from the most visible parts to the least visible parts:
1) A STORY GOAL -- Each character should have only one of these and it should be a clear and objective goal. Your reader should know what it would look like for the character to reach her goal. Scarlett O'Hara wants Ashley Wilkes. Either she gets him to marry her, or she doesn't. Either way, you can have no doubt. This part of a character's motivation should be one-dimensional.
2) AN AMBITION -- Each character has something abstract that they want out of life. Miss America wants "world peace." But what does that look like? Ambitions are always fuzzy. They have to be; they're abstract. Each character translates their ambition differently into a concrete story goal--which we talked about above. Scarlett wants to be "the belle of the ball forever." And she believes that marrying Asley will give her that. She's mistaken, but that's OK. She believes it. That's what drives her. This part of a character's motivation should also be one-dimensional.
3) VALUES -- Each character believes certain core truths to be self-evident. No proof is needed that these core truths are really true, because it's "obvious"--at least to the character. The ambition we talked about above always springs from your character's values. This is where you want your character to be multi-dimensional. You want your character to have several values--core truths--and these should be in conflict. Scarlett thinks it's obvious that "nothing is more important than being the center of attention." This drives her ambition to be the belle of the ball. But Scarlett also believes that "nothing is more important than surviving." This leads her to do all sorts of things that some of her friends are just too genteel to do. Scarlett is willing to get her hands dirty doing things that no belle of the ball should ever do. Scarlett's values are in deep, deep conflict, and that's what makes her a three-dimensinoal character. 
2. ML: In WFFD you explore creating a multi-layered plot. Could you share some points on plotting to build those multiple layers?
RI: I've identified six different layers of plot in my book, and they cover three chapters. Here, I'll focus on one critical layer that is rarely explained anywhere. The only teacher whom I've seen mention this is Robert McKee in his book STORY, but he doesn't explain how it's useful to the novelist, because he's interested in teaching screenwriters.
This critical layer is the "sequence of scenes." McKee explains in his book that the tension builds in intensity through a sequence of scenes--usually 3 to 5 of them. Then something important happens and the tension goes down. It begins building again in the next sequence of scenes.
When I read McKee, I realized that this is the golden key for writing the synopsis. The synopsis is easily the most hated piece of writing that any novelist ever does. But you have to write a synopsis.
Here's the secret: When you write a synopsis, each paragraph should summarize a sequence of scenes. If you try to summarize each scene, that's too much detail. Summarize several scenes together as a single unit. If you do that, your synposis will come out to about 2 single-spaced pages which is just about right. If you don't do that, you're going to hate your synopsis. (Okay, you're going to hate your synopsis no matter what you do, but if you do it this way, you'll get a good result, which is all that matters.)
3. ML: You also address high concept storylines. Fill us in! I'm guessing that our blog guest have questions on this power-topic.
RI: The storyline is a single sentence that summarizes your story. If you write a great storyline, your editor will instantly get what you story's about. She'll be able to explain that storyline to the publishing committee and they'll get it too. Ditto with the sales team, the buyers for the bookstore chains, the staff in bookstores, and ultimately the readers.
I devote a lot of space in my book to teaching exactly how to write a strong storyline that instantly communcates the gist of the story. You want it less than 25 words and you want to focus on one or two characters. And you want to elimiate absolutely every ounce of excess weight.
The storyline for my first novel TRANSGRESSION is only 11 words.
"A physicist travels back in time to kill the apostle Paul." You either like that concept or you don't. It doesn't matter. All that matters is that I can communicate my storyline to you in 5 seconds whether you like it or not. A great storyline separates the sheep from the goats--the potential buyers from the nay-sayers.
WFFD includes my own one-sentence summaries of the storylines for 20 best-selling novels, with an analysis of each storyline and what makes it work. One of the techniques I consistetly use in storylines is the idea of "backloading" which I learned from you, Margie, in your course on Empowering Characters' Emotions. I often backload a storyline with a strong emotive hit point.
ML: Yay! You believe in BACKLOADING. :-)) And -- you remembered EMOTIONAL HITS from ECE too. Very cool!
4. ML: I read this piece on the front cover of WFFD:
Learn to -- choose your creative paradigm.
What suggestions do you have for writers regarding creative paradigms?
RI: The key thing is to use what works for you and don't use what doesn't work for you. One of the reasons my Snowflake method is so popular is that it empowers writers who were trying to use the seat-of-the-pants creative paradigm and who were failing.
By the way, the SOTP method is a creative paradigm which works great for some people. For those people, the Snowflake method is absolutely the wrong way to write, and they won't be able to write a novel by Snowflaking it. Different people are different. You have to figure out how your brain works, and then go with your strengths.
In WFFD, I identify four different creative paradigms that writers often use. There are probably many others. It's a specturm. Robert Ludlum used to write 100+ page outlines. That would kill me. It would drive a SOTP writer stark raving rabid. But it worked wonderfully for Ludlum. Dean Koontz uses a creative paradigm that I call Edit-As-You-Go, which works for him.
ML: Love your Cliche Twist: stark raving rabid. ;-)
5. ML: WFFD also dives into the publishing world. What do you share with readers about finding an agent?
RI: Having the wrong agent is worse than having none. So I caution writers to do their homework first and find out which agents are most likely to be interested in working with them. There isn't any one right answer. You have to analyze what kind of book you're writing and who your target readers are. )I walk my readers through this process very early in WFFD, because it saves a LOT of grief when it's time to hind an agent.) Then you look for agents who love your kind of book and who understand the way your target reader thinks.
In WFFD I show an sample query letter which I took mostly from a letter that John Olson and I wrote in 1999 that sold our novel OXYGEN in less than 7 weeks--without an agent.
The query letter you write to an editor is very similar to what you write to an agent. The idea is the same--get them hungry, tell the essence of the story, and then get them to ask for more. This is one reason I put so much emphasis on teachng how to write a storyline. Once you learn how to bait a hook, you can catch all kinds of fish.
6. ML: I don't know if you go into this in WFFD, but I'm curious. When a writer gets THE CALL from an agent who is interested in representing them, what are five questions the writer should ask the agent?
RI: Hmmmm, in my opinion, every writer should know the answers to most of the questions before they even query an agent. You should never query an agent just because they're listed in some market guide. You should find the several best agents who are likely to be interested in your work. Then look at ther web sites and get a handle on their personalities and how they work. Most agents will have some sort of online endorsements from their writers. They'll explain how they work, what they charge and when, what they read, what they sell, and all that.
Do your homework! An agent knows when you've researched him and you actually have taken the trouble to find out what he likes. If you're querying an agent who does mostly SF & F and you're writing an Amish erotica novel, then you deserve a spanking with a buggy whip.
7. ML: What chapter of WFFD was the most fun to write, and why?
RI: I sweat blood on every chapter, so I'm not sure "fun" is the right word here. I thought this would be an easy book to write, but it turned out that I rethought just about everything I knew and tried to take it a little deeper.
In some cases, I had to come up with new terminology because the language I've been using for the last ten years (coming from all the best sources I could find) was sometimes ambiguous. Different people sometimes use the same word in different ways. What is a "motivation" for example? What's a "reaction?" That depends on who's using the word and what the context is.
So I rethought everything I thought I knew, especially the things that I'm most famous for, such as the Snowflake method, those pesky "motivation-reaction units," and analysis of "scenes and sequels."
It was painful, and there were times I thought I was going to die, but in the end, I learned some new things. The target reader for the book is "beginning novelists" but I'm going to bet that all my multi-published novelist friends are going to learn a fistful of new tricks too. I learned something new in almost every chapter of the book.
8. ML: Last question! Is there anything you wish you had added to WFFD? Another chapter? Another tip?
RI: Because of space limitations, we had to cut the chapter on writing conferences. I am a huge fan of writing conferences, because that's where I broke in to publishing, and that's where the majority of my published friends did also. But the central focus of WFFD is the craft of writing fiction. The editors asked for more details in several of the chapters on craft and editing. I put those in, but that meant something had to give.
I should note that there's a terrific 60-page e-book on writing conferences that I sell on my web site. The author of this e-book is Meredith Efken, the freelance editor who works with me on all my books these days. Meredith is a multipublished author and has been going to conferences for a long time, and her e-book is the best I've ever seen anywhere on the subject. So when I had to cut the chapter on conferences from WFFD, I had the consolation that Meredith's e-book covered it in more detail than that chapter possibly could have.
ML: Anything Meredith Efken does is quality. Here's a photo of me, Randy, and Meredith Efken at the ACFW Awards Banquet.
ML: RANDY -- Thank you for sharing your time and your brain cells. WRITING FICTION FOR DUMMIES sounds like a stronger-than-basic how-to book-- one loaded with tips that would help writers of all levels, from newbies to bestsellers. And -- one lucky person who posts a comment or question to the blog today WINS a copy of WRITING FICTION FOR DUMMIES!
Another lucky person who posts today WINS one of my six LECTURE PACKETS.
We may have additional winners. I will donate one Lecture Packet for every 25 people who post today.
Randy will drop by the blog several times today. He will respond to people who post by 7PM Mountain Time.
TO BE ENTERED IN THE DRAWINGS -- POST TO THE BLOG BY 8PM MOUNTAIN TIME.
Check back at 8:30PM Mountain Time to see if you are one of our winners.
Ready? Set? Fire your questions and comments at Randy.

Comments
3. If I win your book, will you send it down here to South America? Please say yes!
Thanks for the insightful interview.
Colleen Shine Phillips
I absolutely love your Snowflake Method and use a variation of it every time I plot a new book. This new book of yours sounds terrific even for someone who as been doing this writing thing for a while. I'm sure you'll have much success, and I'm planning on buying a copy for my friend who is just venturing into the writing world (I'll read it first though, lol)
Thanks for the great interview!
I have enjoyed your newsletters over the years. Invaluable insight. I was intrigued by your take on the synopsis. I'm one of the few that enjoy writing synopses and believe they're one of the most valuable as versatile tools an author has in their writing arsenal.
I look forward to your future posts, interviews as WFFD. All will continue to enlighten me as other authors along our writer's journey.
*Thank you Margie for another fabulous interview!
I enjoyed reading your interview. I'm a published short story writer, but haven't completed a novel yet. Writing a synopsis doesn't scare me, and I don't mind them so much, but writing a novel does scare me. I'm always grateful for any advice on novel writing. Thanks!
Thanks again,
Lynnette
Thanks for getting me motivated first thing in the morning! I have a library of how-to guides but can't wait to get this Dummy book. I get great info in Ran-D's e-zine, so can imagine how power-packed WFFD is.
The more I learn about writing, the more I realize how much I don't know--therefore, I'm a bona fide Dummy!
Thanks for the interview--and the book!
Tra-C Mastaler
- Sally
Evelyn
Looks like I have another book to put on my 'to buy' list. Also sounds like a great book for a friend of mine who wants to start writing!
Cheers
Leanne
Colleen asked a few questions:
1. Do you have a suggestion for those who write so many books they tend to read formulaic, and how can you avoid that in a long series?
Randy sez: I really can't answer that. I don't write a lot of books. I have to really love an idea to write a book about it. I'm astounded at how many books some authors can write, but that seems like something I'm just not capable of doing.
2. Please tell us how you juggle so many things without getting totally wiped out. Seriously. It is admirable.
Randy sez: You can juggle 15 plates at once if you don't mind a lot of broken china.
3. If I win your book, will you send it down here to South America? Please say yes!
Randy sez: Yes.
I say that with full knowledge of what can happen when you do!!!
Thanks, Randy for always explaining so well and Margie, thanks for having Randy.
Great blog interview.
Take care.
And Margie, I loved the Empowering Characters' emotions workshop you taught in Columbus, Ohio last year--wow, so much good stuff, and I'm still using it all. I'm also working my way through some additional lecture packets of yours!
Now, my question--I never have a problem starting a story, but I hate writing the endings. They always come out so lame, and I know that's what really makes a book great. Do you have any advice for me?
Thanks in advance!
I'm a SOTP writer who fell in love with the Snowflake Method. Of course, I had to modify it a bit to fit my writing style, but even taking only parts of it work very well for those of us who are SOTP. Conflicting core values are something I haven't heard at any writer's conferences or classes. Thanks for that bit of insight, and how it motivates the character's actions. Good stuff.
Jessie
Great to see you all here!
Colleen -- from Chile!
Diane DM -- Golden Heart Finalist!
Diana C -- You LIKE writing a synopsis? :-))
Vicki K -- Randy and I can desensitize your fear of novel writing!
Lynette -- I bet you'll get your bigger-view writing camera.
Peg -- Ah -- Printing, Rereading, Assimilating more. Smart!
Tra-C -- Ha! You're no dummy! Always fab to see your enthusiasm!
Thanks again to RANDY for being here. Can't wait to read WFFD!
I'll drop by again later.
All smiles...............Margie
I hope this is where to post for a chance to win your book..would LOVE to win it !!!!!
Thank you!
And here's me *waving* to Margie from south of the equator....Hola, Margie!
Thanks for the interview.
I'm looking forward to the book.
- Jeremiah
Thanks.
I'm a teen in the middle of the first draft of my first novel--a medieval fantasy which I hope to get published within the next several years. Mr. Ingermanson's Snowflake Method saved me AND my novel roughly a year ago, and since then I've learned so much about fiction writing from his website. My mind is hungry for this new book.
Anyways, I do have a question. I'm not sure if it's exactly on any of the subjects mentioned above...if I'm off-topic, I'm sorry, and you can feel free to shoo me away.
My novel is about a farm boy. When I started writing, I didn't realize how MANY other novels have been written about that very same thing. Now, as long as he's an original, well-written, and three-dimensional farm boy, I as a reader wouldn't care how many others are out there. In my mind, the farm boy is the medieval equivalent of the ordinary middle-to-lower class kid. But has that basic stereotype become cliche? Should I think of something a little LESS ordinary? When publishing time comes, will I find a dead market?
Thanks in advance,
~Hannah
Anyways, you got the idea.
~HL
I'll be back!
Randy--Love your ezine. Actually where I first heard about Margie. My loop is doing a Plotting Odyssey using your Snowflake method as part of our steps.
Dummy books don't always catch my eye, but this one will be on my Christmas list.
Thanks so much for all the fantastic info!!
You and Margie give so much support to us unwashed or is that unpublished writers.
We are better for it.
What is "backloading" a story?
Now, my question--I never have a problem starting a story, but I hate writing the endings. They always come out so lame, and I know that's what really makes a book great. Do you have any advice for me?
Randy sez: Yikes, that's a tough one. Let's remember that many great books have lame endings. What makes a great book great is the middle. The ending is what makes readers go tell a friend, because the ending is the last thing you read before you finish the book.
With that in mind, here is 100% of what I know about endings: You need to give the lead character what he deserves in a way that the reader isn't expecting. You can make it a happy ending, sad ending, or bittersweet ending, but the reader MUST say, "Yes, perfect!" and then she MUST say, "Doggone, I should have seen that coming!"
Thanks, Randy!
Do you find yourself varying how-you-get-it-done based on the type or length of work you're doing? Or do you always basically use the same method?
Randy sez: Yes. I'm a lazy cuss and I don't like working any more than anybody else does. Or more precisely, I don't like getting started. But once I get started on something, I'm into it and lose track of time. So the key thing for me is trick myself into getting started.
One way I do that is to budget an "easy" length of time in my To Do List for the day. Today I wrote on my list "Work on Snowflake Pro 3 hours." Now, I know good and well that if I'm in the middle of something at the 3 hour mark, I'll keep going and might get in 4 or 5 hours. But had I budgeted 4 or 5 hours, that block of time might seem too intimidating. So I try to budget time in smaller blocks than I think I'll actually work.
Just a way to fool myself into getting started.
My novel is about a farm boy. When I started writing, I didn't realize how MANY other novels have been written about that very same thing. Now, as long as he's an original, well-written, and three-dimensional farm boy, I as a reader wouldn't care how many others are out there. In my mind, the farm boy is the medieval equivalent of the ordinary middle-to-lower class kid. But has that basic stereotype become cliche? Should I think of something a little LESS ordinary?
Randy sez: Every idea on the planet has been used already. Every idea on the planet has been done to death. But every novelist is going to take any idea and spin it her own way, so it's completely OK to just write your story without worrying that other writers have already done it. None of them have done it YOUR way. Go to it.
Randy, "thank you" for writing what sounds like a must have craft book and for telling us all about it today. People have always mentioned Robert McKee's book "Story" but I have been afraid that it wouldn't be the book for me, since I'm not a screen writer. On the subject of Characters, you've made me realize I do know more about my main character than I give myself credit for. I can't wait to get my hands on your book.
Thanks again to Margie and Randy.
What is "backloading" a story?
Randy sez: Actually, I was referring to "backloading" a sentence. That's where you put the punchiest word at the end. I learned this word from Margie, and I've been doing it more consciously ever since.
Here's an example of a storyline for the book THE CLAN OF THE CAVE BEAR:
"A young human girl in Ice Age Europe struggles to survive persecution by her adoptive clan of Neanderthals."
If you read that sentence, every word in it is fairly ordinary until you hit the zinger at the end, "Neanderthals." That's what makes this story special.
Now look at the storyline without the backloading:
"A young human girl is adopted by Neanderthals in Ice Age Europe and struggles to survive persecution."
That still has some zing, but it's not nearly as potent as the first version because I put my most emotive word, "Neanderthals," too early in the sentence.
This is one of the storyline examples that I give in my book.
Wishing you both many blessings!
Angie
PS I have your lecture packets because you are such an awesome teacher!!!!!
Love the Snowflaike and use aspects of the method. I use lots of things.
Barb
Thanks again.
Jan
Aside from the fact that the title is a little misleading and I had to make sure this wasn't a book on getting to know your audience regardless of their mental capabilities, I am convinced that this book is going to be the new must have for every writer on the planet. And possibly beyond.
Best to you on the book Randy, and thanks to you Margie for hosting the interview.
Dawn Chartier
www.dawnchartier.com
Thanks Margie for having him. Wonderful informative interview.
Beejay
I've never heard of the Snowflake method before and now you've got my curiosity going.
Same with the high concept storyline. I've heard of that but have never really mastered it, nor the dreaded synopsis which I'll have to face one day soon.
Thanks for pointing out some interesting aspects to this craft.
Gloria
I am a member of the Romance Writers of Australia, and unfortunately I didn't get to meet you when you came to one of our conferences. Great post. Very informative.
Regards
Margaret
This is such an interesting and informative post, no wonder you have had so many comments.
Winner of Writing Fiction For Dummies~Camille Eide
2 Lecture Packet Winners~ Kelly Bishop, Martha Ramirez
Folks please email Margie at margie@margiela wson.com and she will coordinate your prizes!
Margie wants to thank all the visitors and our illustrious interview guest, Randy Ingermanson. She appreciates everyone comments, Randy's responses, and she can't wait to have her own copy of Writing Fiction For Dummies! Remember it's comes out on Nov. 16th.
Posted by Angie Breidenbach, ACFW Publicity Officer
Randy, I always enjoy reading your newsletter and tonight I loved reading your thoughts on writing a synopsis.
Thanks Margie for directing me here today. I know I'm a little late.
di
Tim
WFFD is on the top of my must-get list and recommendations for other writers -- sure hope he puts in in his blog when Amazon has it.
And Margie, enjoy the snow - wow.
I can't imagine what exactly it is to "hind an agent", but I'm sure it's a very serious thing indeed.
Proper editing is essential to looking professional.
Thanks to both Randy and Margie for their insight.
Question? What is the status of development of Snowflake software? That should be another great boon to us aspiring writers. Hope it will be coming soon.
I've been in the process of consuming just about anything related to writing for the past year or more. Doing so has given me the much-needed push to complete my first novel, which I finally did a few days ago.
This will be another book that graces my shelf.
Tim
A HUGE 'thank you' to you both for all you to do to help us newbie writers!
Blessings,
Cathy
I have missed your frequent blogs and was delighted to find one on my email this morning. Then lo and behold, I'm into this interview.
I'm sorry to be too late to receive a free course or book, but I did want to comment. I use most of the snowflake method. I especially like telling my story from each major character's point of view. As Randy said, each character thinks the story revolves around him. I feel rather omniscient when I get through, and my characters interact with each other better.
On endings, does a child character in a children's book have to change considerably by the end of the book? ie. see the light, the error of his ways? I really like my character's personality and quirks to remain in tact, with the hint that he is going to reevaluate his attitude, plans, ambitions in the future.
Thanks again, Randy. Nice to meet you, Margie.
(Now how to get my wife to order it for Christmas...)
Hi Randy--
I can't wait until your book is out. It'll be on my shelf. I've learned so much from you and I love those pesky motivation-reaction units!
Kristina
It feels like forever since you've posted on your blog Randy! Also, any updates on Snowflake Pro?
Can't wait for the Writing Fiction to be on my bookshelf
Can't wait for the book!
I'm a married guy. No kids. But curious about Harry Potter, I read J.F. Rowling. She's excellent at provoking reader emotions. Almost every sentence provokes an emotion. Disapproval of Dursleys. Wonder at magic. Fear. Etc.
Thanks for great work.
A question: Novels these days seem to be gravitating toward shorter scenes, stripped to the bone. This means coming up with more of them to fill the length of a novel. What are some techniques or tips that you have for generating lots o' plot to fill a whole novel consisting of 100 or more scenes?
I enjoy all I've read from both of you and find it fun and encouraging. More fun to have you both at once.
Sometimes I wish I could hide in my little internet world and not have to pop my head into the reponsibilities of reality, as much as I cherish it at other times. Tonight I wish I could stay here, but alas, the children need to be fed and put to bed, the ironing is calling and I probably should see if my husband remembers who I am...
:love: Karen
Andie
Then if all is well, I'll release it as a beta product later this week. The beta testing will mainly involve verifying that my web site can handle hundreds of downloads in one day without melting and that the installer works as well with hundreds of users as it does with dozens. Once I get past beta testing, I'll release it to the world. If you subscribe to my e-zine, you'll hear about it as soon as it's available, and it will carry a hefty discount for the first few days.
I already have a list of features that I plan to add in version 1.1, which will probably be out around the New Year. My plan is that when you buy Snowflake Pro, you are buying a lifetime's worth of upgrades. You should never have to pay again for the latest version.
On endings, does a child character in a children's book have to change considerably by the end of the book? ie. see the light, the error of his ways?
Randy sez: Character's aren't required to change at all. In many series novels, the lead character hardly changes. For example, mystery series with many books tend to have static characters. It all depends on what your goals are as a writer. My villains often change A LOT in my stories, because they have a terribly bad habit of dying. Which is a pretty significant change.
Will the book have a website?
Randy sez: I'll soon be adding a page on my main site for writing, www.AdvancedFictionWriting.com.
Novels these days seem to be gravitating toward shorter scenes, stripped to the bone. This means coming up with more of them to fill the length of a novel. What are some techniques or tips that you have for generating lots o' plot to fill a whole novel consisting of 100 or more scenes?
Randy sez: If you need more plot, add another character and give him something that he wants that he can't have. If getting what he wants means that your main character is that much less likely to get what he wants, then you've just added depth to your story.
Deborah M.
debbiejeanm[at] gmail[dot]com
Merdith
I love reading your tips on writing fiction. But what I really need are guidelines on how to write good non-fiction- fast.
I really hope that you guys can do something about it.
Thank you.
nadiyah
Evelyn
I've subscribed to your newsltter for years, and love it. I've heard and read about the Snowflake Method for years, but I've yet to tackle it. It sure looks like a great tool. I read about the Snowflake software and hope would love to try it out (hopefully, soon).
Writing Fiction For Dummies sounds like a really helpful how to book. Add another to my ever growing TBR list.
Great interview. Thanks for sharing!
Hi Margie, hope you make it to Australia again, just about to check through the rest of your site to see.
Am procrastinating - should be preparing a creativity workshop for the weekend and we are moving house.
Oh to be bored.
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